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AGB Radio (March 2, 2015)

all sorts of amazing sounds bookended by brand new shit from Dan Deacon and Liturgy aka the best show ever

AGB Radio 2015/03/02

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Background music: Koenraad Ecker – Nazif (from Sleepwalkers In A Cold Circus)
00:00:00 Talk break
00:00:41 Dan Deacon – When I Was Done Dying (from Gliss Riffer)
00:04:55 Sumbu Dunia – Hollow (from Sister Nature)
00:09:26 Machinefabriek – Part IV (from The Measures Taken)
00:20:07 Áine O’Dwyer – Mass Of The Rosary Ring (from Music For Church Cleaners Vol I & II)
00:28:42 Talk break
00:30:17 NHK – Ch. 6 (from Program)
00:36:46 Ô Paon – Boue/Fleuve II (from Fleuve)
00:43:34 Mountains – Parallel Two (from You Can’t Hide Your Love Forever Vol. 11)
00:47:29 Eric Chenaux – Poor Time (from Skullsplitter)
00:55:33 Les Halles – Misleading Familiarity (from Forum)
00:59:31 Talk break
01:00:40 King Woman – King Of Swords (from Doubt)
01:06:40 Elian – Harrowgate 5 (from Harrowgate)
01:21:59 Colin Stetson & Sarah Neufeld – The Sun Roars Into View (from Never Were The Way She Was)
01:29:31 Talk break
01:30:27 Old Svrfers – Journey To The End Of Waimea Bay (from Ain’t Scared Of Shaka)
01:47:52 Liturgy – Reign Array (from The Ark Work)
01:59:18 Talk break

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AGB Radio (February 23, 2015) – 30th Birthday Special

I turned 30! I thought I’d celebrate by playing some of the songs that have most influenced my taste in music and the paths I took to discover new sounds. This is in roughly chronological order and I only went as far as 2006 because anything later than that seemed to be missing the idea of “influential.”


AGB Radio 2015/02/23 – 30th Birthday Special

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Background music: William Basinski – Disintegration Loop 4 (from Disintegration Loops III)
00:00:00 Talk break
00:00:59 Smashing Pumpkins – Starla (from Pisces Iscariot)
00:11:53 Mogwai – Mogwai Fear Satan (from Young Team)
00:27:58 Sigur Rós – Starálfur (from Ágætis Byrjun)
00:34:43 Talk break
00:35:46 Shellac – Squirrel Song (from 1000 Hurts)
00:38:22 Lightning Bolt – Saint Jacques (from Ride The Skies)
00:42:33 Part Chimp – Ex Ladyboy (from Chart Pimp)
00:47:30 Tyondai Braxton – Great Mass (from History That Has No Effect)
00:53:51 The Postal Service – The District Sleeps Alone Tonight (from Give Up)
00:58:31 Talk break
00:59:48 Stars Of The Lid – Broken Harbors: Part 1 (from The Tired Sounds Of…)
01:03:19 Michael Hurley – Blue Mountain (from First Songs)
01:09:39 TV On The Radio – Liars (from Young Liars)
01:14:44 Keith Fullerton Whitman – Twin Guitar Rhodes Viola Drone (from Antithesis)
01:22:16 Victory At Sea – Love Is Ageless (from Memories Fade)
01:28:13 Big Bear – Untitled 1 (from Big Bear)
01:31:47 Talk break
01:33:14 Eluvium – New Animals From The Air (from Talk Amongst The Trees)
01:43:47 M83 – Lower Your Eyelids To Die With The Sun (from Before The Dawn Heals Us)
01:54:20 Belong – I Never Lose. Never Really (from October Language)
01:58:57 Talk break

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AGB Radio (February 16, 2015)

Always a good show when you have new stuff by Six Organs Of Admittance as well as Steve Gunn with thee magnificent Black Twig Pickers.

AGB Radio 2015/02/16

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Background music: Guardian Alien – Statues & Instruments (from Tunnel Channel Vol. 1: Guardian Alien & The Cosmic Dead)
00:00:00 Talk break
00:00:34 Eartheater – Orbit (from Metalepsis)
00:11:05 Oren Ambarchi & Jim O’Rourke – Behold A (from Behold)
00:29:24 Talk break
00:30:26 Six Organs Of Admittance – Guild (from Hexadic)
00:37:05 Else Marie Pade – Faust Suite: Faust & Margrethes Kærlighed (from Electronic Works 1958-1995)
00:44:15 Offthesky – Bloodletting (from Light Loss)
00:54:52 Yuta Nagashima – Elephant’s Way (from White Sleep)
00:59:00 Talk break
01:00:01 Spheruleus – Selvar (from Peripheres)
01:02:14 Eternal Tapestry – White Adders Tongue (from Wild Strawberries)
01:17:44 Jeph Jerman & Tim Barnes – Relic Density (from Matterings)
01:28:37 Talk break
01:29:30 Ryan Huber – Hamdai (from Empress)
01:42:10 Steve Gunn & The Black Twig Pickers – Seasonal Hire (from Seasonal Hire)
01:58:30 Talk break

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AGB Radio (February 9, 2015)

New Kreng! New Fabio Orsi! New Mind Over Mirrors! New Nathan Amundson!

AGB Radio 2015/02/09

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Background music: Lino Capra Vaccina – Antico Adagio (from Antico Adagio)
00:00:00 Talk break
00:00:54 Nathan Amundson – More Horses (from Western Songs)
00:17:42 David Maranha & Helena Espvall – Gadulka Duo (from Sombras Incendiadas)
00:30:17 Talk break
00:31:20 German Army – Remaking Lands (from Clan Chieftains)
00:34:25 Night Flights – Alpha Jerk (from Night Flights, Vol. 1)
00:44:38 Fabio Orsi – 4. Just For A Thrill (from Just For A Thrill)
00:58:54 Talk break
01:00:05 Kreng (featuring Amenra) – The Summoning (from The Summoner)
01:15:03 Sigtryggur Berg Sigmarsson – Late Night Arrival (from So Long)
01:29:07 Talk break
01:30:24 Caroline Park – Gldufglsd (from Less Than Human)
01:41:31 Masaya Ozaki – Uprooted Space (from Fluid And Dreaming Of Stripes)
01:47:45 Jan St. Werner – Demonos (from Miscontinuum Album (Fiepblatter Catalogue #3))
01:51:55 Mind Over Mirrors – Motioning (from The Voice Calling)
01:59:13 Talk break

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AGB Radio (February 2, 2015)

Can’t believe that new Bow Ether Group record, all harmonium & accordion drone, fucking heavenly.

AGB Radio 2015/02/02

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Background music: Aux Field – View From Your Window (from Imaginable Layers)
00:00:00 Talk break
00:00:52 Lawrence English – Antarctica (from Viento)
00:16:56 Collin McKelvey – Musique Domestica (from The Nolan)
00:31:00 Talk break
00:31:53 Bow Ether Group – Blue Tusk Raag (from Weltmeister Pakrashi)
00:52:38 Steinbrüchel – 06 (from Parallel Landscapes)
00:59:18 Talk break
01:00:00 Garrincha & The Stolen Elk – Wait, Think, Fast (from Life Is Wasted On The Living)
01:11:36 Zs – Xe (from Xe)
01:29:44 Talk break
01:30:29 Ryuichi Sakamoto, Illuha, & Taylor Deupree – Movement 1 (from Perpetual)
01:47:50 Schneider Kacirek – Hand And Wand (from Shadows Documents)
01:52:02 Ricardo Donoso – Diluculum (from Saravá Exu)
01:59:16 Talk break

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AGB Radio (January 26, 2015)

All music from 2015 in this episode, either upcoming or out within the past couple weeks, all 100% great. This year is starting off strong.

AGB Radio 2015/01/26

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Background music: Noveller – Pulse Point (from Fantastic Planet)
00:00:00 Talk break
00:00:31 Mount Eerie – Spring (from Sauna)
00:13:32 Sean McCann – Language Of Night (from Ten Impressions For Piano & Strings)
00:19:17 Boduf Songs – The Rotted Names (from Stench Of Exist)
00:25:40 Riccardo Dillon Wanke – Fast Tears (from Cuts)
00:29:41 Talk break
00:30:36 Danny Clay – Glow III (from Ganymede)
00:34:53 Gareth Flowers & Josh Mason – The Fear (from Silent Period)
00:45:45 Pan American – The Terrace (from Sketch For Winter II: Rue Corridor)
00:57:53 Talk break
00:58:52 James Murray – Forecast (from Loss)
01:11:03 Rvnes & Mass – Untitled (from All Men Are Prey To The Same Beast)
01:26:27 John Carpenter – Night (from Lost Themes)
01:30:00 Talk break
01:30:52 B/B/S/ – NK012B01 (from NK012)
01:38:47 Sarah Davachi – Guildford (from Barons Court)
01:51:33 EUS, Postdrome & Saåad – Snowfall (from Different Streams)
01:58:55 Talk break


Questions For Rivulets

rivulets interview by Jesus Desdemicadiera

Photography by Jesus Desdemicadiera


Rivulets, Nathan Amundson’s musical moniker, has been making some sweet sad Americana for years, steadily releasing one killer record after another. Last year, he put out I Remember Everything on JellyFant Schallplatten, which was easily one of my favorite and most listened to records in 2014. Absolutely incredible stuff. Still can’t get enough of it. I reached out to see if he was willing to participate in my Q&A series, and (thankfully!) he was. Who knew he almost died rolling a car down a mountain?


What is the best way to die?
Ready, I would think. Or completely blindsided, doing something you love.

How do you think you’ll die?
Where I live now in Denver, I bike most everywhere I go, as long as it’s above freezing. Denver drivers don’t care much for people on bicycles. Cyclists are murdered here by automobiles, rage-drivers, etc. with regularity. I think that’s a likely way for me to go.

What makes you happy?
Hmmm. Dark chocolate, cocoa content 70%+. Cuddling. Hot, connected sex. All the usual stuff I suppose.

How close have you come to death?
I rolled a car down a mountain in Alaska once. [Check out the full story here.]

What does kindness mean to you?
Getting out of your own head enough to be present for everyone around you. Just literally giving people the time of day. It’s a struggle.

Where do you find love?
My fans – people who love my music. How can you not love them too? I fall in love all the time. At the movies, reading books. Just walking around I see like a half dozen girls every day that I want to marry immediately.

When were you most afraid?
When I felt like the world wasn’t listening.

How do you listen to music?
You know, I’m still rocking an iPod classic. Is that what it’s called? 160GB black iPod. I buy CDs and rip them at full WAV resolution. I’ll put stuff on my phone too but I forget it’s there. A lot of my music is being released on vinyl these days but I still don’t own a record player :(

POLL: How do you use AGB?

Super quick poll for you guys so I can get a better handle on where and how my most common readers use AGB, and how you’d like to use AGB. Your responses are anonymous and none of the questions are required. Thanks a million in advance!

CONTEST: Win Gareth Flowers & Josh Mason’s Silent Period

gareth flowers and josh mason - silent period album cover
Giveaway time! I’ve got one sweet sealed copy of the stellar Silent Period by Gareth Flowers & Josh Mason on vinyl that needs a new home. I reviewed it the other day, and if you don’t remember, it was a bit of a concept album, with an anonymous dude going through these four songs/stages: “The Awareness,” “The Confusion,” “The Fear,” and “The Resignation,” in that order.

The contest is easy. I want you to come up with another phrase that fits in with those four. It could come before The Awareness (ex: The Silence), between The Confusion and The Fear (ex: The Anger), whatever. Go crazy.

Send your entries to enjoythesilence [at] antigravitybunny [dotcom] by Monday, January 19th at midnight. I’ll pick my favorite sometime next week.

If you don’t win, the record officially drops Tuesday the 20th so you should just go grab one for yourself at Sunshine Ltd. Only 250 copies though so don’t slack off.

Album Review

Gareth Flowers & Josh Mason – Silent Period (Sunshine Ltd, 2015)

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Gareth Flowers & Josh MasonThe Resignation (Sunshine Ltd)

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Gareth Flowers is a new name to me, but that’s only because I haven’t been paying attention, he’s got a few releases under his belt, both solo and with Josh Frank as The Batteries Duo, so, short history lesson, Flowers is a classically trained trumpeter (trumpeteer?) gone rouge, and he’s teamed up with minimal master Josh Mason to unleash some hauntingly beautiful creep drone. Silent Period has a story to it, following a mystery dude after having gone through some mysterious circumstances and his overnight journey into self-exile, going from “The Awareness,” to “The Confusion,” to “The Fear,” to “The Resignation,” all four of which are the four songs on here, drifting in between states of fog & clarity, although there’s little in the way of dynamics, with the exception of some clicky rhythmic tapping and looped alarms on “The Confusion,” this is all slow-mo tonal & texture shifts, with Flowers’ trumpet taking lead most of the time, droning high & weird, the unsettled nerves that aim to drive you mad, and Mason’s subtle ambient that all but disappears into the early morning mist, acting as the tender voice of reason that balances the dramatic and emotional trumpet, I never would have paired these two guys, but the output here is just fucking astounding, a small slice of sound mixed together in unimaginable ways, the melancholic urgency into the hypnotic shimmer, the silk smooth high end alongside the finest, most delicate grit, I can’t recommend this one enough, and, disclaimer, I don’t even usually like the trumpet, so believe me when I say this one’s special, only 250 copies, available next week, definitely not to be slept on.

AGB Radio

AGB Radio (January 12, 2015)

I’m not like a huge Elephant Micah fan or anything but holy shit “Slow Time Vultures” is amazing.


AGB Radio 2015/01/12

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Background music: Legowelt – Vanished In Tromso (from Air Texture Volume IV)
00:00:00 Talk break
00:00:47 Stephan Mathieu & Federico Durand – III. Third Dream (from Nachtstücke)
00:25:31 Gábor Lázár – VI (from ILS)
00:29:56 Talk break
00:30:50 Memorial Weekend – Girl’s Name (from Memorial Weekend)
00:37:33 Maurice Louca – Rupture (from Salute The Parrot)
00:43:16 Our Sleepless Forest – Come Dawn (Odd Nosdam Remix) (from Music To Psychic Drive By)
00:54:32 Locust – Shadows Cast By Planes (from After The Rain)
01:01:33 Talk break
01:03:04 Secret Boyfriend – Little Jammy Center (from They’re Playing Themselves)
01:10:53 Shinichi Atobe – Butterfly Effect (from Butterfly Effect)
01:22:41 Elephant Micah – Slow Time Vultures (from Where In Our Woods)
01:30:02 Talk break
01:31:21 Jefre Cantu-Ledesma – The Last Time I Saw Your Face (from A Year With 13 Moons)
01:39:51 Celer – (12.21.12) On The Shinkansen Leaving Kyoto (from Sky Limits)
01:40:20 Ariel Karma – Yogini Breath (from An Evolutionary Music)
01:59:10 Talk break

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AGB Radio (January 5, 2015)

Getting back into the swing of things, it’s been so fuckin long since I’ve done just a regular episode I feel like I’m way behind.


AGB Radio 2015/01/05

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Background music: bvdub – As We Remember A Life Of Love (from Tanto)
00:00:00 Talk break
00:01:16 Pauline Oliveros, Timothy Hill, & David Rothenberg – How We Got Here (from Cicada Dream Band)
00:14:34 Nick Storring – Open Your Eyes And Forget (from Gardens)
00:30:37 Talk break
00:31:24 Brighter Death Now – Tempting Murder (from With Promises Of Death)
00:37:26 High Aura’d – Untitled (from live set at Hopscotch Festival, 2013-09-06 at Long View Center, Raleigh, NC, recorded by NYC Taper)
00:53:27 Burial Hex – Final Love (from The Hierophant)
00:59:50 Talk break
01:01:08 Aaron Dilloway & Jason Lescalleet – Western Nest (from Popeth)
01:12:19 Neel – Storm In Stickney (from Phobos)
01:22:41 Lawrence English & Werner Dafeldecker – Intake (from Shadow Of The Monolith)
01:28:55 Talk break
01:29:54 Nathan Bowles – Sleepy Lake Tire Swing (from Nansemond)
01:40:04 Bad Kisser – Do I Know You? (from Bate Kush)
01:41:35 Hakobune – Saying This Once (from Vitex Negundo)
01:59:03 Talk break

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AGB Radio (December 22, 2014) – Holiday Special

I love Christmas music. Yeah I love the feel-good classics, but I also love the wintery drone, the twisted weirdo shit, and the gloomy bluesy tunes. No feel-good classics here. All of that other stuff, though, and lots of it. Happy holidays you guys!


AGB Radio 2014/12/22 – Holiday Special

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Background music: Mark Mothersbaugh – Midnight Wind-Up Toy (from Joyeux Mutato)
00:00:00 Talk break
00:00:57 The OO-Ray – Flurry (from Snowglobe EP)
00:04:16 Joseph Spence – Santa Claus Is Comin’ To Town (from Dr. Demento: Holidays In Dementia)
00:07:09 Brian Whitman – Hail The Shining Star (from A Singular Christmas)
00:09:06 Clearing – Ode To Joy (from Who Is In My Temple)
00:11:38 Astral Social Club – Hitting Midwinter (Drift) (from Hitting Midwinter)
00:18:14 Reverend J. M. Gates – Death Might Be Your Santa Claus (from Death Might Be Your Santa Claus
00:21:14 Mahalia Jackson – Child Of The King (from Christmas Blues)
00:24:31 The Cloisters – Hvislyse (from Little Winter)
00:30:01 Talk break
00:31:51 Grand Canonical Ensemble – Away In A Manger (from ”Christmas”)
00:39:37 The Sisterhood – Baby, It’s A Cold Night In December (from The American Song-Poem Christmas)
00:41:46 The Coctails – First Snowfall (from Winter Wonderland)
00:43:35 Loren Connors – Christmas Day (from The Holidays Don’t Have To Be So Rotten, Vol. 3)
00:45:11 Good Weather For An Airstrike – O Christmas Tree (from Festive Greetings From Hibernate & Home Normal)
00:47:32 Reverend Edward W. Clayborn (The Guitar Evangelist) – The Wrong Way To Celebrate Christmas (from Where Will You Be Christmas Day?)
00:50:03 Gastr Del Sol – The Bells Of St. Mary (from The Christmas Album)
00:54:00 Fabio Orsi – Dead Leaves Christmas (from Last Winter We Didn’t Sing)
00:59:54 Talk break
01:01:36 Bugs And Rats – In The Christmas Time (from Christmas Singles)
01:05:31 Circuit Des Yeux – Glacial Fault (from The Holidays Don’t Have To Be So Rotten, Vol. 4)
01:13:23 Dawn McCarthy & Bonnie ‘Prince’ Billy – Christmas Eve Can Kill You (from Christmas Eve Can Kill You)
01:16:46 Offthesky – O Holy Night (from Festive Greetings From Hibernate & Home Normal)
01:20:56 Jesu – Christmas (from Christmas)
01:29:37 Talk break
01:30:42 Sunless – Planck’s Constant Xmas (from I May Be Lost But I’m Laughing)
01:34:30 Parenthetical Girls – Last Christmas, Pt. II (from Christmas.)
01:37:37 Married – Blue Christmas (from Snow Days)
01:41:02 The Frogs – Have A Merry X-Mas (from Here Comes Santa’s Pussy)
01:44:06 Collections Of Colonies Of Bees – Jolly Olde St. Nicholas (from The Never Ending Beginning)
01:49:40 Herrmann & Kleine – Catch A Snowflake (from Seasonal Greetings)
01:54:29 Mikele Edwards, Mary Lattimore, & Jeff Zeigler – Christmas Ain’t Like Christmas Anymore (from Christmas Ain’t Like Christmas Anymore)
01:58:33 Talk break

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AGB Radio (December 15, 2014) – Top 13 Non-Drone Countdown

The owners and DJs of the radio station Anti-Gravity Bunny Radio airs on,, collectively decided it would be cool if DJs wanted to share their favorite records of the year. Since I already did my Top Drone list, I figured I’d do a Top Non-Drone list.

The list I made (which you can see here, with a little writeup of each) is officially a Top 10, but since 10 songs couldn’t fill up the show, I added a few more that probably would’ve taken the 11-13 spots if they existed. Anyway, I ended up being completely head over heels for a bunch of records this year that weren’t drone (which is not uncommon, contrary to what I review on AGB, I actually have somewhat rounded music taste), so I was more than happy to make this list and shower these records with even more praise.

Update: Thanks to Carr down there in the comments, I had no idea Andy Stott had so many records. Dude’s been recording since 06 and he’s got like 20 records, so ignore my comments during the show about the Luxury Problems full length and the We Stay Together/Passed Me By EPs being his first releases.


AGB Radio 2014/12/15 – Top 13 Non-Drone Countdown

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Background music: Ak’chamel, The Giver Of Illness – Head Of Acante, Talking Tree (from Fucking With Spirits)
00:00:00 Talk break
00:01:19 Benjamin Booker – Always Waiting (from Benjamin Booker)
00:03:37 Cody Yantis – Brightness IV (from Resonant Memory)
00:07:58 Horseback – Chanting Out The Low Shadow (from Piedmont Apocrypha)
00:24:39 Jackie McDowell – Golden Fields (from Baptisia)
00:29:58 Talk break
00:31:21 Wold – Spiral Star Inversion (from Postsocial)
00:45:38 Panopticon – Where Mountains Pierce The Sky (from Roads To The North)
00:58:16 Talk break
00:59:37 Andy Stott – Violence (from Faith In Strangers)
01:06:10 Thee Silver Mt. Zion Memorial Orchestra – What We Loved Was Not Enough (from Fuck Off Get Free We Pour Light On Everything)
01:17:32 Mamiffer – Enantiodromia (from Statu Nascendi)
01:33:46 Talk break
01:34:43 Rivulets – Summer Rain (from I Remember Everything)
01:40:19 Have A Nice Life – Burial Society (from The Unnatural World)
01:46:55 Dama/Libra – The Chant (from Claw)
01:53:29 The Body – Our Souls Were Clean (from I Shall Die Here)
01:58:36 Talk break

Album Review

Jordan De La Sierra – Gymnosphere: Song Of The Rose (Numero Group, 2014)

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Jordan De La SierraMusic For Gymnastics (Numero Group)

There’s kind of an unofficial rule that I don’t write about reissues on AGB (for too many reasons to go into here) but this record is a perfect example of why that’s not an official rule. Jordan De La Sierra should be spoken about in the same breath as Terry Riley, La Monte Young, and Lubomyr Melnyk, but he only put out two records (in ’77 and ’88), so he was destined to fade into obscurity under the New Age revolution. I never heard of De La Sierra before this Numero reissue of the original 2xLP, and that’s just a fucking travesty. This music is absolutely stellar, 100 transformative minutes spread out over 4 soft piano pieces, looped melodies creating meditative rhythms, slow ambient keys soloed out and resonating in your soul, nothing but harmony and sober trances, the delicacies of hypnotic piano ambience laid out in the most masterful and endearing way, everything about this says “fucking classic” and hopefully Numero has been the catalyst for that. And since this is a bigger label, no song download from me, but that “Music For Gymnastics” link up there goes to a Soundcloud stream of the full 24 minute song, so dive in, then throw your money at Numero.